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Saturday, October 29, 2005

Bradbury Say's "Don't Worry"

"We have seen absolutely no widespread evidence of non-citizens voting or attempting to vote in Oregon elections."

So you can rest assured because Anne Mertens told you so.

Check out the rest of the response from Bradbury's chief of communications. This was forwarded to us by an interested NWR reader. So props go to him. Check her response and tell me that the Oregon SoS is really even worried about fraudulent voters. Now just let someone look cross eyed while signing an initiative petition. Then they will track you down, indict you, scare you, attempt to convict you and generally attempt to remove all of your rights to petition your government. Because those pesky signature gatherers are the REAL problem. The audacity of these folks.

Dear Mr. *****,

DMV does not track citizenship. The State Legislature has regularlyinstructed DMV not to check citizenship. Thus, a driver's license issimply a permit to drive, it is not proof of citizenship, and
nobody ever claimed that it was proof of citizenship. DMV is well aware of this. DMV is merely following the law in verifying identity, not legalstatus, and any quarrel with that issue may be taken up with the state legislature.


DMV is also required by federal law to make voter registration cardsavailable at all DMV offices at the time that a person obtains a drivers license (the "motor voter" law). DMV is merely following the law in making voter registration cards available, and any quarrel with that issue may be take up with Congress.

A driver's license does not equal a valid voter registration. (Is that made clear to people signing up at the DMV?)

The voter registration card does ask if the registrant is a citizen. It is a Class C felony to lie on this form. (Oh now that makes us feel better. After all a felon would never lie on a government form. whew..) Such a felony would also subject the registrant to deportation, if the registrant was not a citizen. This form also provides a government agency with all of the registrants personal information, such as name and address, which makes it easy for any government agency to find the registrant. We find it extremely unlikely that a non-citizen would take such a huge risk for minimal (to them) benefit of voting.

We have seen absolutely no wide spread evidence of non-citizens votingor attempting to vote in Oregon elections. There have been two prosecutions for non-citizen voting in recent memory (one was a British citizen who voted on purpose, one was a Vietnamese citizen who married an
American and thought that gave her citizenship). We have investigated every claim of non-citizen voting, and have seen no hard evidence that non-citizen voting is a problem. We have heard many politicians claim that non-citizen voting is a problem, but they have been unable to provide any hard evidence. Without any hard evidence,there is no reason (and it would be a
waste of public resources) for us to address this so-called problem.
(Yet it is not a waste of public resources to make up new rules restricting the rights of citizens to place initiatives on the ballot and then track people down based on those new rules? BTW Mr. Bradbury I have heard that the unions contract signature gatherer has been paying people by the signature. We won't hold our breath that you will actually hunt them down. We know you owe them too much.)

Best,

Anne Martens
Chief of Communications
Oregon Secretary of State

12 comments:

Daniel said...

Makes perfect sense. Why would someone who broke the law coming here, broke the law by working, broke the law by committing fraud on their I-9, the break the law to register to vote?

I don't see a pattern...

And why is it that Democrats are the party that doesn't want to do anything about potential voter fraud? It's really an admission that they know that they are the ones who benefit from it.

Anonymous said...

Mertens is a megaphone for Billy & works for GOOOON, Lindbeck.

Tellin ya folks; if ya don't keep a sharp eye on Billy & his goons, there's NO ponit in gettin' excited 'bout the Gov's race.

Billy is the most DANGEROUS POL in
Oregon!!!

Look at this>

http://victoriataftkpam.blogspot.com/

This is serious stuff

Dare!PDX said...

Oregon has real issues with its voting integrity. Remember King County and the Rossi race. Like that only worse.

I'm convinced that the vote by mail was set up specifically to perpetuate fraud. The only way vote by mail can work effectively is if you require annual voter registration. If you don't, I guarantee over 10% of the ballots are being sent to people who don't live here anymore or are dead.

When anyone brings this issue up the Oregonian swipes it down as unlikely. Remember when Mannix pointed out the multiple ballots for a single voter and it just ended there.

carla said...

Oregon has real issues with its voting integrity. Remember King County and the Rossi race. Like that only worse.

You clearly haven't studied the King County election closely, based on this statement.

Voting problems in Washington state in terms of possible illegal voters were worse in counties that went for Rossi, as opposed to Gregoire.

Multiple ballots for single voters are accounted for. Mannix knows this. Ballots are checked when they come in. People cannot cast multiple ballots because once their ballot has been received it's checked off. Any second ballot coming in would be discarded.

The Republican Party is intent on making it difficult for citizens who are legally able to vote to do so. It gives the rest of us pause..wondering why?

I am Coyote said...

Carla,
Nice try with regard to the attempted spin of the Washington State elections fiasco.

We covered it in a rather in depth manner here on this blog as well as offline.

King county is the DemocratICKly controlled county and that county was where the overwhelming number of voting problems were.

So you are either honestly mistaken or you knew that and tried to mislead our readers. I will assume that you were honestly mistaken.

In light of that I suggest you start educating yourself on the "felons voting democratICK in King County," posts on this blog back in May and June.

I would ask you why the DemocratICK SoS of Oregon is making it more difficult for individuals to take part in the initiative process.

Republicans merely want legal voter's vote to count. The more illegal voters you have (voting overwhelmingly democrat?) the less your legal vote actually counts.

Dare!PDX said...

The fact that you don't care also shows you don't fully understand the importance of democracy and one person one vote. Voting shouldn't be easy for the sake of being easy.

Responsiblities should take commitment which is more important than participation. People commited to our community are more important than getting a high turnout.

I also recall the big issue of the recount was the quantity of ballots sent in by felons who are barred from voting under WA law. It wasn't an issue of "possible illegal" voters but outright blatantly illegal voters.

You should at least admit that the system needs some basic safeguards and improvements. It doesn't take $10,000 kiosks either, just some common sense measures.

I know for a fact that people move out of state and Oregon vote by mail ballots still arive. I've had friends move and the ballots kept showing up. For a year after my grandfather and grandmother died their ballots continued to show up. Furthermore their ballots showed up regardless of whether or not they had the mental faculties to vote - anyone could have filled them out. This is just the tip of the iceberg. The LA Times reported on it, the Oregonian ignored it.

All it takes is one unethical machine politician and our process is tainted further effecting voter apathy. Democracy is fragile and the D's in Oregon have abused the system for to long.

Democrats controled Portland is notorious for ignoring overwhelming votes from the people. Then they cry when voter turn-out continues to drop inside the city. I see a distinct connection, why can't you?

I know Carla that your probably a big fan of Goldshmidt and his legacy. Just remember it takes a really dirty group of people for someone like that to stay in authority. Your party was the social lubricant that allowed that to take place.

And by the way, Rossi himself described the story in depth last year at Dorchester. 5000 vote lead and Gregoire calls it a "virtual tie" a 150 votes the other direction and she refers to it as a mandate. If Gregoire was a republican the whole ordeal would still have churned my stomach.

Carla, you should be ashamed that "ease" of voting is more important to you than the actual integrity of the process.

Josef said...

Dare!PDX said...

Well, as to felons signing oaths - I did long, long ago some research on this in my state and yes, carla, thankfully participated in the comment threads :-).

Frankly, these forms are a joke. A sick one, considering the joke is on the honor system. Only honorable people take these forms seriously and the spokesperson probably knows this.

Sadly, dishonorable people have no problem filling out the form. I prefer some decent safeguards on the right to vote to ensure everybody is fulfilling their responsibility to one another. The honor system just doesn't make the deal for this Washingtonian.

Josef said...

Oh and I will have this post on my Deepnet Explorer for a short while. Good muckraking. Keep us informed, I Am Coyote :-).

Tony said...

And nobody has yet pointed out that members of the SOS office were handing out voter registration cards at an event that they knew was populated by illegal aliens from Mexico, sponsored by the Mexican consulate (as reported by Daniel and others).

For them to then say that they dont think anyone used those cards that they were handing out is a damnable lie.

The problem in Oregon is the registration system. No checking is done at the time the person registers, then the voter reg is good as long as the signature matches. You can vote 100 times with different names, as long as you have signatures that match what was on your original voter reg card.

Yeah. Thats secure.

Anne, the widespread fraud in the system is in your office.

Anonymous said...

Anon#1 says;

(quoting Ms Martens)

....."DMV is merely following the law in verifying identity, not legalstatus, and any quarrel with that issue may be taken up with the state legislature."

Attempts to take these issues up in the recent legislature were met with OPPOSITION FROM BRADBURY, HOUSE D'S, KATE BROWN, ETC.

Unfortunately, however, it was the FAILURE of the HOUSE R's to pass HB 2608.

http://www.leg.state.or.us/05reg/measures/hb2600.dir/hb2608.intro.html

Shame on you Wayne Scott Majority Leader!

Josef said...

Yeah, what we need is look into DNA because you can have somebody's DNA as computer code...

But computer code can be altered, manipulated, etc...

trr said...

My state rep, Jerry Krummel told me in person that he thinks that there is a problem with illegal aliens voting in Oregon.

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