Abramoff, Grand Ronde, Saxton, Kulongoski
It is ironic that The Oregonian ran this story about the Grand Ronde Tribe on the same day that the Washington Post ran this story about Jack Abramoff.
In the Post story we see how Abramoff took advantage of Indian tribes and conservative stalwarts like Grover Norquist and Amy Ridenour. Abramoff pled guilty to conspiring to ply lawmakers with gifts in exchange for favors. In the story we see how Abramoff was attempting to hide his motives from among others, the folks at Americans for Tax Reform. In an email correspondence to others inside his lobbying firm he had this to say."What is most important however is that this matter is kept discreet," Abramoff said in an e-mail on Oct. 24, 1995. "We do not want the opponents to think that we are trying to buy the taxpayer movement."
Of course liberals will continue to try to paint folks like Norquist and Ridenour as culprits yet conveniently overlook the role that the aggressive politics of the gaming tribe (Choctaws). Conservatives such as Norquist and Ridenour maintain, basically, that they were played by Abramoff. In fact Ridenour testified to a Senate panel:that she thought the DeLay trip she agreed to sponsor in 2000 was "an educational trip" to Britain, not a golfing junket to Scotland. "The trip I believed I was approving -- and indeed the trip that I invited the member of Congress on . . . was simply to be a trip to London, meet with some members of Parliament and fly home," she said.
Norquist and Ridenour appear to be innocent political operatives taken advantage of by Abramoff who seemed to dig himself deeper and deeper into trouble. However even in innocence we see how liberals, and their willing cohorts in the MSM, can't help but try to portray conservatives as guilty of something. We know that liberals have never let the truth get in the way of good political spin.
Which brings us to the Grand Ronde tribe in Oregon. While I don't think the Grand Ronde's are doing anything illegal, just as the Choctaw's were not, the amount of money involved can create an atmosphere that almost begs for someone to trip up. Or get tripped up. As we have seen in the case with Abramoff, all it takes is one bad actor to taint a whole passle of folks.
The Grand Ronde's probably don't really care a whit about any of Ron Saxton's other positions. Heck they may not even care that he would or would not actively oppose the gorge casino project. Yet they can conveniently use this campaign to bring attention to their pet issue.
Of course the Grand Ronde's got their new allotment of gaming machines that increased their gaming operation by 33%. They received the green light to ad more machines by governor Kulongoski. Then subsequently spanked him for coming up with bi-partisan plan to protect the beauty of the gorge.
There is nothing new with regard to Indian tribes fighting. That has been going on for centuries. We have just always, one way or another, worked things out. What is uncomfortable for most tribes is that the Grand Ronde's have taken the fight to the public. Usually differences between tribes are handled like a family thing. Virtually everyone in Indian country are upset that the Grand Ronde's have adopted the new aggressive political strategy.
Trouble for Republicans
The trouble for Republicans is that the Republican nominee, while used as a tool to advance the cause of the GR's, can get sucked into some uncomfortable stereotypes. One stereotype is that the government has a history of reneging on promises to Indians over the last couple hundred years. If Saxton takes on aggressive opposition to the promise made to the Warm Springs it could hurt future relations between Republicans and Indian tribes.
Taking the Grand Ronde gamble would be like flooding a hungry body with candy bars. You will get an immediate benefit and rush from the sugar, yet in the long run you are hit with sugar depression. What would ad to the bad blood is that the potential betrayal would come on the heels of the Abramoff scandal.
While the details are much more complicated than simply the "bad-ol-Republicans" attacking Indians, the reality is that those details will get lost on future tribal leaders. Because we know that in the future the Democrats will certainly try to use this issue to drive a wedge between Oregon Indian tribes and the Republican party. Much like the liberals are trying to drive a wedge between Indian tribes and conservatives on the national scene in the Abramoff scandal.
The correct position for Saxton, if he personally is opposed to the Cascade Locks casino, would be to say that he thinks it is a bad idea yet agree that the state should keep it's promises to Oregon Indian tribes. There are certainly more important issues for Saxton to tackle. Issues that are much more cut and dried.
Also lost in the dust up is the fact that if the Warm Springs tribe does not build in Cascade Locks then they will build on a VERY visible location in Hood River. Land that the Warm Springs already has as allotted property and land that is up on a hill where everyone can see. So there is a conservationist angle here as well. If Saxton goes "all in" in the Grand Ronde gamble he runs the risk of also perpetuating the "anti-environment" stereotype of Republicans.
Put yourself in the shoes of candidate Kulongoski's campaign manager. Or any Democratic strategist for that matter. Imagine the material you could come up with if you are a Democratic strategist with no scruples.
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17 comments:
"What is uncomfortable for most tribes is that the Grand Ronde's have taken the fight to the public."
Which is, I believe, the most distressing part of the entire debacle. They're not doing themselves, nor anyone else, any favors by pushing their issue into the MSM.
Warm Springs is going to build out; the only question is where.
I believe that they should be permitted to build in Cascade Locks for two reasons: the people living there welcome the project, and as the area in question is essentially flatland, the project would be far less intrusive than the Hood River alternative.
Attempts by other tribes to insinuate themselves into state politics on this basis are sadly misplaced.
Rather than working against one another, they would be better served by uniting in favor of common goals. To do otherwise simply makes them look petty, and reinforces their marginalization.
All but one of the other Oregon tribes have either endorsed the Warm Springs project or are staying out of it altogether.
The only other tribe that had been opposed to it was the Cow Creek band and they actually backed way off of their position when the Grand Ronde started down their current path.
But this is not just about the tribes. I also think this is a big moment for Ron. As I said in the post there are other much more pressing issues that are much more cut and dried for him to tackle.
There is a question in politics that one always asks oneself. That is, "is this a hill I am willing to die on?" Some hills are worth it. Others not so much.
The Grand Ronde's have shown that they are willing to make this thing uncomfortable for everyone involved. It is always dangerous to cavort with someone that goes to that extent. Look at what has happened to Rick Hickey. Now imagine Hickey with a million dollars to spend.
There is a high likelihood that at some point in the campaign, if Saxton ties himself to the GR's, that he could rue the relationship. Well not just him, but anyone who decides to hook themselves to that wagon.
This is the most amusing nonsensical gibberish I've read in a long time. I really hope you're just trying to be funny because if you believe this you truly are hopelessly deluded.
"The only other tribe that had been opposed to it was the Cow Creek band and they actually backed way off of their position when the Grand Ronde started down their current path."
It's because the Cow Creeks only support Democrats. Getting really interesting down here and not in a good way.
Becky,
Actually it is true. Believe it or not the Grand Ronde's do not want there to be a casino in the gorge.
Believe it or not the GR's dumped about $800 thousand dollars in the primaries.
Believe it or not the tribes that were dealing with Abramoff were trying to stop other tribes from starting competing casinos.
Believe it or not most tribes don't like playing like that.
So, not sure what you think is nonsense. But then again all that liberals need to do is say that the earth is flat and that makes it true.
Injuns,
If you think it interesting now, just imagine how interesting it could get if it looks like the party that breaks promises to tribes is the Republican party.
I don't know enough about the Cow Creek's political practices to say something like "only support Democrats." It may be that they suppport mostly Democrats. I know our tribe almost always supports Democrats.
However I know that the Grand Ronde's have regularly supported Republicans and the Warm Springs have been pretty open about supporting Republicans.
Yet... If this Grand Ronde gamble really heats up it could hurt the Republicans a great deal. Just imaging the kinds of dollars that could be infused into the Democratic party if the tribes decide as a whole to turn on the Republicans.
You could take the GR's efforts and multiply that by seven. Then ad it to the unions.
ouch
I've said it before, I'll say it again.
Aborgate all Indian treaties. For the politically correct amoung you, that would be the Native American Treaties. For the ultra politically correct amoung you, that would be the Previous Owner Treaties.
Give them the option of being absorbed by the states in which they exist, or become independent countries.
No more of this "independent nation, yet American citizen" bullshit.
One set of rules. Period. Regardless of race, bloodline, or fancy name in front of your family.
Paint me as just another indian hating white guy if you want, but the simple truth is, I don't like anyone all that much.
One the positive side, for me at least, I just took Grand Ronde for $1000 at the roulette table.
The nonsense is that mean old Jack Abramoff used poor little innocent Grover Norqist to take advantage of the Indian tribes, and now Grover finds himself in the middle of yet another undeserved money laundering scandal.
A little educational reading for you:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060624/ap_on_go_pr_wh/abramoff_white_house
and
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/06/24/AR2006062401080_pf.html
What is crazy is that you make it a forgone conclusion that the political liability outweighs the benifit of the deep pockes.
I think your wrong.
In fact, I think the Election was all but decided last week when two things happened.
First, the group trying to put the Casino at the Dog track gave up for now. What do you think the folks on Spirit Mountain had set aside to fight that campaign? Then, like clockwork, Governor Ted announces that finally his word is good on something and he is not blinking on the Cascade Locks Casino plan. That he believes it will not play a role in the Election.
Spirit Mountain is likely to spend Millions to beat Kulongoski, and Saxton could do nothing about it if he wanted to. Kulongoski's aprovel rating is down to 32%, do you think that is an accident? Do you think the campaign against the Cascade locks Casino over the last six months has not been a driver in getting his number so low?
Coyote, for someone who knows so much...I don't know how you could be so far off the mark on this one.
STOP THE PRESSES! Political Player Seeks Financial Contributions!
Ugh... Becky...
I read the Yahoo article. It was based on the samea information in the Post article that I linked to.
A very telling section of the article:
"ATR's Kartch suggested Chao's contact with the Saginaw at Norquist's home was incidental. "ATR does many receptions for supporters. There were dozens of people in attendance that evening. This event was not organized specifically for any person, but was rather a widely attended general event," he said."
Have you ever been to any political events? I mean beside the little Libertarian Conventions? As I read the story I was thinking the same thing that Kartch had said.
Believe it or not, people (in this case Indian tribes) who make large political donations get audiences with politicians.
Remember how Bill Clinton used to rent out the Lincoln bedroom in the White House?
Your second link Becky is the same story that I link to in this post.
So, following your usuall MO, just because there is a story there must be "something" out there. Have you not been following the culture of corruption in the Union and Democratic parties?
Please stop throwing accusations around as if that makes someone immediately guilty of something.
Guess what. There were almost 200 convictions of RACKETEERING by union members in 2005. Perhaps we should make an accusation that "Our Oregon," is guilty of that as well? We would have a much stronger case than you would by your simply tying silly online news stories together.
Anon732,
I never said there was not any benefit to taking the GR side in this fight. There is a HUGE immediate up side. I even suggest in my post that Ron can indeed say he is opposed to the gorge casino concept.
There is also, depending on how Saxton plays it, a larger long term down side.
Of course we would not know that down side until after Saxton wins. Should he win and renege on the State promise to the Warm Springs it will have a huge ripple effect throughout Indian country. Like a flat rock on a still pond.
So far as I'm aware, the only tribe actively opposing the Warm Springs proposal is the Grand Rhonde. I confess that I know nothing of the intracacies involving intertribal relations, but I do suspect that GR would be better served by placing their money into support of WS.
It seems to me that GR might jointly fund the project so that both tribes benefit.
Democrats gave the Cow Creek Chairwoman an away at the OCC. Was it the $10,000 the Cow Creeks gave to the Food Bank? or was it the $56,500 they gave the Democrats since 2002?
http://www.campaignmoney.com
(they gave a single $500 donation to Gordon Smith in 2002, the only national Republican contribution since 2002.)
http://www.cowcreek.com/media/s07_awards/a95-teddyFeb04.html
Shaffer honored by governor, Democrats
The Roseburg News-Review - Feb. 29, 2004
The chairwoman of the Cow Creek Band of Indians was honored Saturday at the Oregon Convention Center in Portland with a Teddy Award, a Democratic Party of Oregon distinction named for Gov. Ted Kulongoski.
Democrats gave the Cow Creek Chairwoman an away at the OCC. Was it the $10,000 the Cow Creeks gave to the Food Bank? or was it the $56,500 they gave the Democrats since 2002?
http://www.campaignmoney.com
(they gave a single $500 donation to Gordon Smith in 2002, the only national Republican contribution since 2002.)
http://www.cowcreek.com/media/s07_awards/a95-teddyFeb04.html
Shaffer honored by governor, Democrats
The Roseburg News-Review - Feb. 29, 2004
The chairwoman of the Cow Creek Band of Indians was honored Saturday at the Oregon Convention Center in Portland with a Teddy Award, a Democratic Party of Oregon distinction named for Gov. Ted Kulongoski.
John McCain writes in his report on the Abramoff/Norquist/Reed scandal:
"Etched in the history of our great nation is a long and lamentable chapter about the exploitation of Native Americans. It began with the sale of Manhattan, and has continued ever since. Every kind of charlatan and every type of crook has deceived and exploited America’s native sons and daughters. While these accounts of unscrupulous men are sadly familiar, the tale we hear today is not. What sets this tale apart, what makes it truly extraordinary, is the extent and degree of the apparent exploitation and deceit."
Becky,
We agree on one thing. That is that Native Americans have been exploited for years.
This time it was Abramoff.
Cow Creek Blue;
And what is your point? That the Cow Creeks give to Democrats? So? Big deal.
Republicans need to do a better job at reaching out to Indian Tribes. Instead of mocking them.
And the Cow Creek Chairwoman has been a pretty darn good chair for their tribe.
Hello I know that this post does not have to do with the blog post But I am waiting to see who we are going to back for president in 08 were waiting on the decision of DR James Dobson
See below
Christian right groups set sights on '08
By Susan Page, USA TODAY
WASHINGTON — Leaders of conservative Christian organizations plan to jointly interview Republican contenders for the 2008 presidential nomination, perhaps even endorsing one of them — steps that could expand their already considerable political influence.
On the judicial filibuster compromise, Tony Perkins said those who joined the so-called Gang of 14 risked "political repercussions."
By Patti Longmire, AP
"We'd like to try to stay together," Tony Perkins, president of the Family Research Council, said at a breakfast with reporters Wednesday. The ad hoc group includes "free thinkers" and "strong personalities," he says, but they might unite behind a candidate who "unquestionably" best represented their views and priorities.
Gary Bauer, president of American Values, said in an interview that the sit-down sessions, likely to begin after the 2006 elections, would be "a very effective way to nail down where people are on cultural issues." He said candidates have become "very astute" at answering written questionnaires in ways that avoid making firm commitments. (Related story: Christian right bends political spectrum)
Those who plan to participate include leading figures of the Christian right: James Dobson of Focus on the Family, Paul Weyrich of the Free Congress Foundation, the Rev. Donald Wildmon of the American Family Association, Perkins and Bauer. Others also would join them.
Their groups, which represent millions of social conservatives, have taken the lead in lobbying to restrict abortion, ban same-sex marriage and confirm conservative judges. Their top priority, Perkins said, is winning confirmation of conservative Supreme Court justices.
Evangelical Christians, who overwhelmingly backed President Bush in 2004, already are an influential constituency in the Republican Party. Coordinated action could increase that influence, especially in a crowded GOP primary field.
"It would have an impact," Republican strategist Charles Black said.
But being seen as the "candidate of the Christian right" would be a "very, very mixed blessing" in the general election, said Stuart Rothenberg of the non-partisan Rothenberg Political Report— akin to Walter Mondale's stamp as the "candidate of labor" in the 1984 campaign.
"That would really pigeonhole a candidate," Rothenberg said.
Perkins spoke favorably of one likely Republican presidential contender, Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist of Tennessee, and dismissively of another, Arizona Sen. John McCain. He criticized the bipartisan compromise that McCain and 13 other senators reached last month to avert a showdown on judicial filibusters.
Perkins said those who joined the so-called Gang of 14 risked "political repercussions."
The Family Research Council and Citizens for Community Values ran radio ads in Ohio attacking Sen. Mike DeWine for joining the accord. Perkins said backlash to DeWine's involvement was a factor in the defeat of his son, Pat, in the Republican primary Tuesday to choose a candidate for an open House seat in Ohio.
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